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17-11-2007
Thank you for your wonderful discussion of the high range of
the human voice witih specific examples of treasured pieces.
Could you identify for me the fragment with a high
F (f2) from Il Puritani sung by Luciano Pavarotti?
I would like to hear more!
Thank you for your help.
Beverly Nelson
Thanks Beverly for the compliment,
Unfortunately I cannot help you with the
complete aria sung by Pavarotti. I received by mail only this
fragment.
regards,
Joop Lindeijer
02-11-2007
Hello--I have been looking for the recording that you have on
the Dutch Divas website.
Tu' che la vanita Don Carlos / Maria Van Dongen.
Is it available from you or in stores? I would like to purchase
a copy.
Thank you,
Wendy Paradise
Hello Wendy,
It's possible for me to put that aria on CD for you together
with a second aria of this soprano: 'Liberamente or piangi ...
Oh! nel fuggento nuvolo' from Verdi's Attilla. A 1963 recording,
5'29"; but 2 arias on one CD aren't much music for Euro
14,95 exclusive postage costs. However I can put some works of
one of my current collection of 15 CD's to it. It's up to you.
Not from several CD's, you must choose one of the collection
and tell which arias I must remove to make place for the two
Maria van Dongen arias.
kind regards,
Joop Lindeijer
Hello Joop,
Thank you for writing back. I had thought that she had put together
a CD and I was unable to locate it on the Internet. She was
a freind many years ago and I was hoping to have more than the
few random recordings we already have.
Thanks,
WL Paradise
09-08-2007
Dear Mr. Lindeijer,
please allow me to bother you with a tacky question - there are
very few people who I can imagine might be able to answer it,
and you're certainly among them since you seem to know EVERYTHING
on opera in Dutch.
I have, on a Rubini LP, a Laurent Swolfs recording (I know he
was Belgian, but the recording is in Dutch) that's a mystery.
The (scarce) discographic information on the LP reads "Geneviève
de Brabant - Karel - Candae - Ballade". Ok, so the aria
is a ballad from the opera Geneviève de Brabant, but what's
"Karel", and "Candae"? There should be just
ONE name between opera title and aria title (like with all other
excerpts on that LP), the name of the composer. So is the composer
Karel or Candae? I don't know about any composer of either name,
and Google doesn't either, which is not a positive sign... or
is just the dash a mistake, and the composer's name is Karel
Candae (not on the www, anyway!)?? Or is Candae meaning anything
in Dutch, and the title of the aria (such as Faust - Gounod -
Le veau d'or - Ronde)?
One thing is important, it's definitely not the Offenbach operetta
- it's a heroic/tragic piece, more in the style of, say, Ernest
Reyer, and certainly no hint of Offenbach.
I should be very happy if you could help me solve this puzzle.
Best regards
Robert Schlesinger
Vienna
Dear Mr. Schlesinger,
The cantata 'Geneviève de Brabant'
was composed by Charles Radoux. He used the name Radoux-Rogier
for his published works. For this cantata - composed in 1907
- he received the Belgian Prix de Rome. He also composed two
operas, Les Sangliers des Ardennes (Liege,1905) and Oudelette
(Brussels, 1912). Karel is Flemish for the French name Charles.
Candae rings no bells to me. About the singing in Dutch, you
know that the Belgians are divided in a French and Flemish (Dutch)
speaking part? Swolfs was born in Gent, the Flemish part of Belgium,
but he sang in Dutch as well as in French. In fact he had some
times problems with some Dutch translations of French works.
best regards,
Joop Lindeijer
Reply:
Dear Mr. Lindeijer,
thank you very, very much for your reply. I knew if anyone knows,
it's you!
Best regards
Robert Schlesinger
08-07-2007
Dear Mr. Lindeijer:
In the 1980s on WNYC radio (in New York City) I heard Elly Ameling
sing a selection that had a melody something like that to "Deutschland,
Deutschland uber Alles" and though I didn't catch what the
work was actually called, have been hoping to find it again ever
since. I am writing you because your 'Dutch Divas' website seems
so comprehensive on the subject of Ameling and recordings. If
you know what I'm after (in my very vague way) already and can
tell me, or can refer me to someone else who might be able to
help me, I would be most appreciative.
Sincerely, Jeff Peter
Dear Mr. Jef Peter,
I have not the slightest idea what is the fragment you heard.
The German national anthem I doubt she ever sang and I cannot
find a song that looks like this, Sorry.
kind regards,
Joop Lindeijer
Reply:
Dear Mr. Lindeijer,
Thank you for your reply to my odd and I guess very mistaken
question. I suppose it is possible that the radio music I heard
long ago was in a set that only began with Elly Ameling singing
and that it was another soprano peforming the tune that sounded
like 'Deutschland...' to me. I should also mention that the whole
of Germany's anthem isn't at all familiar to me; I only meant
that phrases in the unknown work and the start of the athem sounded
alike. In any case, thanks again very much for your kind assistance.
Sincerely, Jeff Peter
07-07-2007
Hello Joop.
My name is Philip Briggs. I am a danish Highschool student at
my senior year. I love opera and have a special interrest in
ranges of the voice, hence I have spend a lot of time listening
to the fragments of different artists in the section "The
High C" and I wonder if you could tell me where I can aquire
the following numbers:
"Der tod und das Madchen" by Marian Anderson- I
already have this lied in the original key, but would love to
have the one on your webpage "Credarsi misera (I Puritani)"
with Pavarotti and Gedda
Any music pieces with Gregory Kunde or John v. Kesteren displaying
their high notes
kind regards
Philip
Hello Philip,
Der Tod und das Mädchen by Marian Anderson is from a commercial
cd. There exists several cd's of these recording. I don't know
which one I used. The Puritani fragment and the Gregory Kunde
sample were send to me by e-mail, I don't know the origianal
source. The 2 cd-set of John van Kesteren is available at several
shops.
kind regards,
Joop Lindeijer
06-07-2007
Joop,
Where did you get that recording of Vladimir Pasuikov chanting
the low Ab (52/3Hz)? I must find it. I already have the Orthodox
Singers "Basso Profundo" recording with Viktor Wichniakov.
Is that other group also the Orthodox Singers? They sound similar
from the audio fragment. Thanks for any information. Thank you.
Allan
Allan,
I received the fragment as attachment with an e-mail. That is
the only information I can give you. Sorry.
Joop
17-06-2007
Hello Joop,
What a fantastic site. Congratulations. I will visit often.
I am the owner of a similar sort of site for South African classical
singers, and I have added a link to your site on mine
(http://www.saoperasingers.homestead.com/links.html). I hope
you find it in order.
If possible, could you please also arrange to place a link
to my site on your web site?
http://www.saoperasingers.homestead.com/index.html
Thank you and regards.
Andre Wium
Brisbane
Queensland
Australia
Hello Andre,
You also congratulations with your site. I
will place a link to your site on both link pages (Dutch and
English) of my site.
In the past, at school about 55 year ago I have written with
a South African girl. She wrote in 'South African Dutch' what
is quit common to original Dutch. It was a kind of exchange between
the schools ... long, long ago.
But as I notice, you live in Australia, why interest in South
African
singers? Born there?
best regards,
Joop Lindeijer
15-06-2007
Dear Chief Editor
You used to broadcast a song from Elgar "Sea songs"
never heard before. Can you elaborate on the origin of this recording
by Aafje Heynis?
Another very rare song by her is the Schubert's Standschen with
a choir and accompaniement by Felix de Nobel (on Philips?)
Can you program it once?
Thank you
Fracema
Dear Fracema,
The Elgar, 'Sea Pictures' song is a VARA (Dutch broadcast company
) recording, released in the 1-cd-set 'Puik van zoete kelen'.
Not available anymore. The recording of Schubert's Ständchen
by Aafje Heynis is unknown to me. But I must admit, I have more
recordings than I know by head, I'm working on a list.
regards,
Joop Lindeijer
11-06-2007
Hey, I'm the guy that provided you with the clips of Russian
basses and Siepi etc that are on the "High C" page.
This probably won't be much use to you for the "high C"
page, because the clips you already have are better, but this
was interesting as it is the only video I've seen of a Russian
choir hitting such notes-- I just found it interesting to see
these guys actually sing.
On youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiBTbi7We90
And a downloadable version:
http://www.archive.org/details/we_praise_thee
Low B's at the first, and some A's and even a lower F# at
one point I
believe, but it's pretty quiet.
Anyway... thought you might enjoy if you haven't already seen
it.
Later
E. W.
Hey Everett,
Thanks very much for putting my attention
to this clip. I don't look very often to You Tube, in fact almost
never, but I like this clip and put a link to it on the high
C page. Pity that most of the video shows the lady singers, but
it's an impressive choir and the visual aspect add for sure some
value.
best regards,
Joop Lindeijer
05-06-2007
Dear Mr. Lindeijer,
Thank you very much for your answer. It is disappointing that
Julia Culp did made no recording of Monteverdi's Lamento, but
it is wonderful that you have a list of all her recordings.
Could you kindly show me the list of her recordings? I am very
interested in what repertory she recorded and it will tell us
what a quality of voice and singing had she.
In some websites I could collect about half of her recordings'
information but not so far as you.
I am waiting for hearing from you again.
With much regards,
Motomi TSUGAMI
Dear Mr. Tsugami,
Unfortunately I have no printable version
of the list. But with the Victors and Electrolas (Romophone list)
and my first CD, you already have the titles of 68 of her 91
recordings. Frauenliebe- und Leben she recorded twice (first
time Amsterdam, 1907/08), so you can raise the total from 68
to 76. But in time I will write the list on my site.
warm regards,
Joop Lindeijer
22-05-2007
Marvellously written about the high c!
It has one itsy-witsy mistake though, about Popoli di Tessaglia.
It goes up to a a3
Except from that; great work!
You are an itsy-witsy right. The first of
Natalie Dessay' two high notes is a G#6, -25, in your notation
G#3 or a3, b (flat). The second is some what lower, a G3.
20-05-2007
Hello,
Thank you for this very interesting Dutch singers site. I want
to ask some biographical details about dutch singers which are
represented in my records collection and I have never found in
musicians dictionaries.So:
-Hedwig Voulanthen sop.
-Elisabeth Cooymans mez.
-Wilhelmine Mathes alt.
-Willy van hese ten.
-Leo Larsen ten.
-Henk Viskil ten.
-Henk Driessen bar.
-Gerard Holthaus bar.
-leo ketelaars bar.
-Anton Eldering bas.
-Carel Willink bas.
Thank you for your answer, Jean Michel
Hello Michel,
That's quit a list. First, Hedwig Voulanthen and Leo Larsen aren't
Dutch singers. Leo Larsen is Danish. The others are singers of
minor importance. That is no opinion about their vocal qualities,
but they are less known. Elisabeth Cooymans I wrote a biography,
in Dutch so far. Gerard Holthaus (baritone) was an opera singer
of the former Nederlandsche Opera, an ensemble opera, become
bankrupt in 1965.
The records of you are probably of the label MMS. The label did
not exist anymore. Henk Viskil was mainly a concert singer, but
sang a few times in opera. Mainly known for his radio appearances
and for his singing in several performances in Naarden in the
famous yearly St Matthew performances.
regards,
Joop Lindeijer
10-05-2007
DD Records,
I am very interested in Julia Culp and seeking her recording
of Monteverdi's Lamento d'Arianna. At least she sang it in Berlin
in 1908 and in London in 1911. It is very kind of you to give
me any information you know about it.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
Motomi TSUGAMI
Dear Mr. Tsugami,
I must disappoint you. As far as I know Julia Culp never recorded
this Lamento. I have a list of all her 91 recordings, but this
Lamento is not listed in the 'not issued' list.
Sincerely,
Joop Lindeijer
04-04-2007
Dear Joop Lindeijer
"The high C" is very interesting and very informative.
I enjoied it very much. I have heard all examples and I think
that very extreme high or low notes (Pasuikov, Georgia Brown)
are funny, but have no musical value. I prefer to hear Mado Robin
and her high B or Cesare Siepi and his low C. Tenor Matteuzzi
and his high F is also very impressive. By the way, I think that
Matti Salminen is not the best singer to show as an example of
a low D (Entführung aus dem Serail). I would suggest Ivashchenko
singing Osmin (youtube), with Russian bass Dmitri Ivashchenko.
In Youtube you can also find Australian bass Malcolm McEachern,
who arrives to a low Bb, singing "Drinking" (Trinklied).
Congratulations for your page.
Jair Ferreira (from Brazil)
Dear Jair Ferreira,
Thank you for your compliments. I agree with your opinion, concerning
your preferation. Some of the samples (the pop samples) however
are - I must admit - amazing. But the way those singers produce
their notes is of course not comparable with the classical singers.
best regards,
Joop Lindeijer
12-02-2007
Dear Joop Lindeijer,
I'd just like to say how much I appreciate your wonderful site!
I especially like your "high C" page which is really
informative and contains a lot of useful facts that I've been
looking for for a while.
However there is one thing that is a bit confusing. The notation
you use for notes is quite confusing at times. I live in the
UK where we don't really use notation like F3 or c5 etc all that
much. Would it be possible for you to include small staves showing
the note you are referring to as it can be quite baffling sometimes
to visualise where a particular note is on the stave or piano.
Or perhaps you could describe where the note is, like "the
C, 2 octaves above middle C" or "the G above soprano
top C" or similar.
Otherwise, the page is really informative...and I have a few
questions as well. Mado Robin is said to have been able to hit
the C above soprano top C, so I was wondering which recording
contains this? And what key does she sing the Mad Scene from
Lucia in? I read somewhere she sang it in F instead of the traditional
E-flat, but is this true? And where on the stave is the really
high note she sings at the end of your sample of the Mad Scene?
I would also be interested to find out the opposite extremes
of some singers, like how low can Mariah Carey, Adam Lopez and
Mado Robin sing. I'm really interested in the size of some people's
ranges, mainly because I've got a 4-octave range myself. Although
I can go quite high, I can't sing quite as high Mado Robin and
Adam Lopez et al. I can also still sing pretty low, yet not quite
as low as Cesare Siepi and Vladimir Pasuikov. I can sing from
the G on the bottom line of the bass clef (just below A 110Hz)
all the way up to the A flat that is four ledger lines above
the treble clef (just below A 1760Hz), the A flat above soprano
top C in other words. It would be interesting to me to find out
how big these people's total ranges are so that I can compare
them with mine. Also, how big are the ranges of the tenors like
Gedda, Pavarotti and Matteuzi which you mention? I'm a tenor
myself so it's interesting to know!
Thanks for reading this, and I hope you like my suggestions and
can answer my questions,
Michael Doroszenko
Dear Michael,
I did not know that the U.K. uses an other
way of notation. However, you use the same instruments, so it
must not be all to difficult to see were the notes are on a general
keyboard. All the c's are immediately left from the groups of
two black keys. The middle c, that is c1, is on my old English
piano about around the key hole of the piano. The frequency of
this note is 261hz. On the diagram on the high C page, one note
above the lowest soprano note, b. Of course there are many sopranos
with a wider range, but I must show some average ranges.
To your other questions, I don't know in what
key Mado Robin sings here two arias, but in this samples it is
in my opinion of no importance. She sings notes the composer
didn't wrote, but she does it magnificent. And concerning the
ranges of some vocalists, I did already gave an example, Yma
Sumac. Comparing classical singers like Mado Robin with for instance
Mariah Carey is something as comparing apples with pears. Their
use of voice is sodifferent, listen to the samples ... it is
an other world.
best regards,
Joop Lindeijer
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